Week 9 2020 · November 8, 2020
No FTN charting for this game (drops and interception-worthy throws are not modelled).
Panthers at Chiefs, Week 9 2020: who deserved to win?
The Chiefs beat the Panthers 33–31, but it was a coin flip: replayed with the way both teams played, the Chiefs win 5 of 10. Luck ran their way: kicks alone were worth 39 points of win probability to the Chiefs.
The Chiefs won on an off day: their defense played far below its usual level. In a fresh game against the Panthers they would win 76% of the time; with this day’s form, 45%. The numbers
Before kickoff the Chiefs were 77% favorites. The biggest swing (Q4, 0:02 left): J. Slye missed 67-yard field goal, worth 31 points of win probability to the Chiefs.
Final
| 31 | |
| 33 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +55 Chiefs lucky · −55 Panthers
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Panthers win 5, Chiefs win 5.
- 1 CAR 42 KC 20
- 2 CAR 21 KC 7
- 3 CAR 48 KC 38
- 4 CAR 33 KC 27
- 5 CAR 27 KC 24
- 6 CAR 14 KC 17
- 7 CAR 19 KC 24
- 8 CAR 27 KC 35
- 9 CAR 10 KC 24
- 10 CAR 17 KC 38
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
The Chiefs won on an off day
Their defense played far below its usual level. In a fresh game against the Panthers they would win 76% of the time; with this day’s form, 45%.
Same teams, fresh game
Replay with same day's form
30 points apart for the Chiefs: the gap is how differently this game went from what the two teams usually are.
| Unit | This game | Usual level | Better or worse than usual |
|---|---|---|---|
| Panthers offenseEPA per play gained | +0.32 | +0.10 | better by 0.22 |
| Panthers defenseEPA per play allowed | +0.27 | +0.16 | worse by 0.10 |
| Chiefs offenseEPA per play gained | +0.27 | +0.23 | better by 0.04 |
| Chiefs defenseEPA per play allowed | +0.32 | +0.10 | worse by 0.22 |
EPA (expected points added) per play on competitive snaps, turnovers left out because they are valued as luck. Usual level: the team’s earlier games this season plus half of last season, pulled toward the league average. One team’s defense and the other team’s offense are the same snaps, so one game can’t fully say whose day it was; it shows how far this one was from both teams’ norms.
How 4,000 replays ended
Panthers win 55% of them, Chiefs 45%, counting the 6% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Chiefs by 2.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Panthers by 17+ | 10.9% |
| Panthers by 9–16 | 14.6% |
| Panthers by 1–8 | 24.1% |
| Level after regulation | 5.9% |
| Chiefs by 1–8 | 22.0% |
| Chiefs by 9–16 | 13.2% |
| Chiefs by 17+ | 9.3% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A missed kick in a decided game counts for nothing; the same kick at the end of a tie game can be most of a win.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- H. Butker, 39 yds made · 85% expected
- H. Butker, 55 yds made · 56% expected
- J. Slye, 47 yds made · 70% expected
- H. Butker, 48 yds missed · 70% expected
- J. Slye, 51 yds missed · 62% expected
- J. Slye, 67 yds missed · 39% expected
- Extra point missed · 93% expected
Penalties: Panthers 12 for 82 yards, Chiefs 8 for 75 yards
Every accepted flag, in order, and what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment, including any play it wiped out (points on the scoreboard in grey). A flag in a decided game is worth nothing; one at the turn of a close game can be worth most of a win. Judgment calls count toward luck, pre-snap fouls mostly don’t. How calls are valued
| When | Flag | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| Q1 13:47 | Illegal Use of Hands on the Chiefs (Chris Jones), 5 yards | 0% CAR +0.3 pts |
| Q1 9:02 | Defensive Holding on the Chiefs, 5 yards | +1% CAR +0.7 pts |
| Q1 8:08 | False Start on the Panthers (Robbie Chosen), 5 yards · pre-snap | +4% KC +0.6 pts |
| Q1 3:37 | Unnecessary Roughness on the Panthers (Rasul Douglas), 15 yards | +6% KC +1.5 pts |
| Q2 10:20 | Illegal Formation on the Panthers (Curtis Samuel), 5 yards · pre-snap | +2% KC +0.7 pts |
| Q2 8:48 | Offensive Pass Interference on the Panthers (Curtis Samuel), 10 yards, wiping out the play | +4% KC +1.9 pts |
| Q2 1:19 | Roughing the Passer on the Chiefs (Chris Jones), 15 yards | +7% CAR +0.9 pts |
| Q2 0:11 | Offensive Pass Interference on the Chiefs (Travis Kelce), 10 yards | +13% CAR +0.5 pts |
| Q2 0:08 | Defensive Offside on the Panthers (Derrick Brown), 5 yards, wiping out the play · pre-snap | +10% CAR +2.5 pts |
| Q3 15:00 | Defensive Holding on the Panthers (Derrick Brown), 5 yards | +3% KC +0.7 pts |
| Q3 3:20 | Face Mask on the Chiefs, 15 yards | +8% CAR +1.8 pts |
| Q3 2:58 | Offensive Holding on the Panthers, 10 yards | +9% KC +1.3 pts |
| Q4 15:00 | Defensive Offside on the Panthers (Brian Burns), 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% KC +0.5 pts |
| Q4 14:23 | Unnecessary Roughness on the Chiefs, 15 yards | +2% CAR +1.4 pts |
| Q4 14:23 | Offside on Free Kick on the Chiefs, 5 yards · pre-snap | +2% CAR +0.5 pts |
| Q4 10:22 | Illegal Touch Kick on the Panthers, 5 yards | +1% KC +0.5 pts |
| Q4 8:09 | Defensive Offside on the Panthers (Donte Jackson), 5 yards · pre-snap | +3% KC +0.8 pts |
| Q4 8:03 | Defensive Holding on the Panthers (Jermaine Carter Jr.), 2 yards | +1% KC +0.7 pts |
| Q4 1:10 | Defensive Holding on the Chiefs (Tyrann Mathieu), 5 yards | +3% KC 0.0 pts |
| Q4 1:05 | Illegal Use of Hands on the Panthers, 10 yards | +8% KC +0.4 pts |
Panthers penalties, every game · Chiefs penalties, every game · All teams, 2020
When it happened
Chiefs’ chance of winning
As low as 22% and as high as 100%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q2 14:54 | The Panthers converted 4th & 73rd & 4th downs · 33% expected | +13% CAR | CAR: Touchdown |
| 2 | Q2 11:06 | H. Butker made 55-yard field goalKicks · 56% expected for him, 8 of 11 from 45+ before | +10% KC | KC: Touchdown |
| 3 | Q2 0:11 | Offensive Pass Interference on the Chiefs (Travis Kelce), 10 yardsJudgment calls · 9 flags in 1611 snaps before, position avg 1 per 276 | +13% CAR | CAR: Missed field goal |
| 4 | Q2 0:08 | Defensive Offside on the Panthers (Derrick Brown), 5 yards, wiping out the playPre-snap flags · 5 flags in 388 snaps before, position avg 1 per 262 | +10% CAR | KC: Turnover |
| 5 | Q3 6:09 | The Chiefs converted 3rd & 73rd & 4th downs · 39% expected | +19% KC | KC: Touchdown |
| 6 | Q3 2:58 | Offensive Holding on the Panthers, 10 yardsJudgment calls | +9% KC | KC: Touchdown |
| 7 | Q4 13:09 | The Panthers converted 4th & 143rd & 4th downs · 21% expected | +10% CAR | CAR: Touchdown |
| 8 | Q4 0:02 | J. Slye missed 67-yard field goalKicks · 39% expected for him, 17 of 25 from 45+ before | +31% KC | – |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Mitchell Schwartz (KC T), out · 1.5 pts
- Sammy Watkins (KC WR), out · 0.8 pts
- Kelechi Osemele (KC G), out (IR) · 0.5 pts
- L'Jarius Sneed (KC CB), out (IR) · 0.5 pts
- Russell Okung (CAR T), out · 0.9 pts
- Jeremy Chinn (CAR S), out · 0.8 pts
- Kawann Short (CAR DT), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
- Juston Burris (CAR S), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Panthers 27% · Chiefs 73%
- Final margin
- Chiefs by 2
- Luck in points
- 3.8 for the Panthers
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Chiefs by 5.8
- Replay with same day's form
- Panthers 55% · Chiefs 45% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting (not available for this game); injuries from snap counts and injury reports. No FTN charting for this game (drops and interception-worthy throws are not modelled).
Methodology and validation · All Week 9 2020 games ·
Panthers ·
Chiefs
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