Week 2 2020 · September 20, 2020
No FTN charting for this game (drops and interception-worthy throws are not modelled).
Lions at Packers, Week 2 2020: who deserved to win?
The Packers beat the Lions 42–21 and were the better team on the day: replayed with the same form, they win 8 of 10.
Before kickoff the Packers were 70% favorites. The biggest swing (Q2, 10:13 left): the Packers converted 3rd & 3, worth 10 points of win probability to the Packers.
Final
| 21 | |
| 42 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +25 Packers about even · −25 Lions
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Lions win 2, Packers win 8.
- 1 DET 34 GB 20
- 2 DET 27 GB 23
- 3 DET 21 GB 23
- 4 DET 30 GB 34
- 5 DET 20 GB 27
- 6 DET 10 GB 20
- 7 DET 14 GB 26
- 8 DET 17 GB 33
- 9 DET 20 GB 41
- 10 DET 5 GB 34
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Lions win 25% of them, Packers 75%, counting the 4% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Packers by 21.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Lions by 17+ | 3.8% |
| Lions by 9–16 | 7.0% |
| Lions by 1–8 | 13.7% |
| Level after regulation | 4.0% |
| Packers by 1–8 | 23.6% |
| Packers by 9–16 | 21.2% |
| Packers by 17+ | 26.6% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A missed kick in a decided game counts for nothing; the same kick at the end of a tie game can be most of a win.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- M. Crosby, 43 yds made · 81% expected
- M. Prater, 57 yds missed · 56% expected
- M. Crosby, 35 yds made · 92% expected
Penalties: Lions 7 for 70 yards, Packers 8 for 60 yards
Every accepted flag, in order, and what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment, including any play it wiped out (points on the scoreboard in grey). A flag in a decided game is worth nothing; one at the turn of a close game can be worth most of a win. Judgment calls count toward luck, pre-snap fouls mostly don’t. How calls are valued
| When | Flag | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| Q1 13:17 | Unnecessary Roughness on the Packers (Za'Darius Smith), 15 yards | +5% DET +1.5 pts |
| Q1 0:04 | Defensive Offside on the Packers (Montravius Adams), 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% DET +0.5 pts |
| Q2 15:00 | Defensive Holding on the Lions (Amani Oruwariye), 5 yards | +2% GB +0.6 pts |
| Q2 7:28 | Unnecessary Roughness on the Lions, 15 yards | +5% GB +1.4 pts |
| Q2 3:22 | Offensive Holding on the Packers, 10 yards | +5% DET +1.1 pts |
| Q2 1:54 | Delay of Game on the Packers, 5 yards · pre-snap | +3% DET +0.4 pts |
| Q2 1:00 | Unnecessary Roughness on the Lions (Will Harris), 15 yards | +2% GB +1.0 pts |
| Q2 0:54 | Horse Collar Tackle on the Lions (Will Harris), 15 yards | +7% GB +1.8 pts |
| Q2 0:03 | Neutral Zone Infraction on the Packers (Preston Smith), 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% DET +0.9 pts |
| Q3 12:28 | False Start on the Packers (Marquez Valdes-Scantling), 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% DET +0.6 pts |
| Q3 9:47 | Offensive Holding on the Packers, 10 yards | +2% DET +1.1 pts |
| Q3 8:45 | Unnecessary Roughness on the Lions (Jamal Agnew), 5 yards | +1% GB +0.5 pts |
| Q3 1:54 | Defensive Holding on the Lions (Darryl Roberts), 5 yards | 0% GB +0.7 pts |
| Q4 12:09 | Illegal Shift on the Packers, 5 yards, wiping out the play · pre-snap | +1% DET +1.4 pts |
| Q4 7:53 | Intentional Grounding on the Lions (Matthew Stafford), 10 yards | 0% GB +1.1 pts |
Lions penalties, every game · Packers penalties, every game · All teams, 2020
When it happened
Packers’ chance of winning
As low as 24% and as high as 100%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 8:26 | The Packers converted 3rd & 83rd & 4th downs · 35% expected | +6% GB | GB: Field goal |
| 2 | Q1 6:53 | The Packers converted 4th & 63rd & 4th downs · 40% expected | +8% GB | GB: Field goal |
| 3 | Q1 3:19 | The Lions converted 3rd & 23rd & 4th downs · 60% expected | +6% DET | DET: Touchdown |
| 4 | Q2 10:13 | The Packers converted 3rd & 33rd & 4th downs · 47% expected | +10% GB | GB: Touchdown |
| 5 | Q2 8:13 | The Lions converted 3rd & 103rd & 4th downs · 27% expected | +8% DET | DET: Punt |
| 6 | Q2 0:54 | Horse Collar Tackle on the Lions (Will Harris), 15 yardsJudgment calls · 2 flags in 990 snaps before, position avg 1 per 510 | +7% GB | GB: Touchdown |
| 7 | Q2 0:03 | M. Prater missed 57-yard field goalKicks · 56% expected for him, 10 of 14 from 45+ beforeNeutral Zone Infraction on the Packers (Preston Smith), 5 yardsPre-snap flags · 3 flags in 1050 snaps before, position avg 1 per 395 | +10% GB | DET: Punt |
| 8 | Q3 8:37 | Return touchdown by the PackersSpecial teams | +7% GB | GB: Opp touchdown |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Kenny Clark (GB NT), out · 0.5 pts
- Billy Turner (GB G), out · 0.3 pts
- Kenny Golladay (DET WR), out · 0.9 pts
- Justin Coleman (DET CB), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
- Joe Dahl (DET G), out (IR) · 0.2 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Lions 1% · Packers 99%
- Final margin
- Packers by 21
- Luck in points
- 9.6 for the Packers
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Packers by 11.4
- Replay with same day's form
- Lions 25% · Packers 75% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting (not available for this game); injuries from snap counts and injury reports. No FTN charting for this game (drops and interception-worthy throws are not modelled).
Methodology and validation · All Week 2 2020 games ·
Lions ·
Packers
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