Week 8 2022 · October 30, 2022
Packers at Bills, Week 8 2022: who deserved to win?
The Bills beat the Packers 27–17 and were the better team on the day: replayed with the same form, they win 7 of 10.
Before kickoff the Bills were 78% favorites. The biggest swing (Q1, 8:51 left): the Packers were stopped on 4th & 3, worth 10 points of win probability to the Bills.
Final
| 17 | |
| 27 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +32 Bills lucky · −32 Packers
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Packers win 3, Bills win 7.
- 1 GB 37 BUF 20
- 2 GB 20 BUF 13
- 3 GB 26 BUF 23
- 4 GB 17 BUF 19
- 5 GB 20 BUF 24
- 6 GB 30 BUF 38
- 7 GB 16 BUF 27
- 8 GB 14 BUF 28
- 9 GB 21 BUF 41
- 10 GB 16 BUF 44
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Packers win 32% of them, Bills 68%, counting the 3% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Bills by 10.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Packers by 17+ | 5.4% |
| Packers by 9–16 | 8.9% |
| Packers by 1–8 | 17.6% |
| Level after regulation | 2.6% |
| Bills by 1–8 | 23.8% |
| Bills by 9–16 | 20.0% |
| Bills by 17+ | 21.6% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A missed kick in a decided game counts for nothing; the same kick at the end of a tie game can be most of a win.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- T. Bass, 42 yds made · 83% expected
- M. Crosby, 38 yds made · 89% expected
- T. Bass, 38 yds made · 89% expected
- M. Crosby, 55 yds missed · 64% expected
Penalties: Packers 8 for 58 yards, Bills 4 for 35 yards
Every accepted flag, in order, and what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment, including any play it wiped out (points on the scoreboard in grey). A flag in a decided game is worth nothing; one at the turn of a close game can be worth most of a win. Judgment calls count toward luck, pre-snap fouls mostly don’t. How calls are valued
| When | Flag | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| Q2 9:19 | Illegal Use of Hands on the Bills (Dane Jackson), 5 yards, wiping out the play | +2% GB +1.2 pts |
| Q2 7:23 | False Start on the Packers (Amari Rodgers), 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% BUF +0.8 pts |
| Q2 4:07 | Disqualification on the Packers, 15 yards | +3% BUF +1.8 pts |
| Q2 0:17 | Defensive Offside on the Packers (Preston Smith), 5 yards · pre-snap | +2% BUF 0.0 pts |
| Q3 15:00 | Offensive Holding on the Packers, 8 yards | +1% BUF +0.7 pts |
| Q3 14:51 | Defensive Offside on the Bills (Ed Oliver), 5 yards, wiping out the play · pre-snap | +2% GB +0.9 pts |
| Q3 10:34 | Offensive Pass Interference on the Packers (Robert Tonyan), 10 yards, wiping out the play | +8% BUF +3.3 pts |
| Q3 10:14 | Defensive Holding on the Packers, 5 yards, wiping out the play | +1% GB +0.6 pts |
| Q3 8:24 | Offensive Holding on the Bills, 10 yards, wiping out the play | +1% GB +1.7 pts |
| Q4 14:03 | Illegal Use of Hands on the Packers (Rasul Douglas), 5 yards | 0% BUF +1.4 pts |
| Q4 13:15 | Defensive Offside on the Packers, 5 yards, wiping out the play · pre-snap | 0% GB +0.1 pts |
| Q4 3:42 | Unnecessary Roughness on the Bills (Gabriel Davis), 15 yards | 0% GB +1.4 pts |
Packers penalties, every game · Bills penalties, every game · All teams, 2022
When it happened
Bills’ chance of winning
As low as 45% and as high as 100%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 12:40 | The Packers converted 3rd & 23rd & 4th downs · 60% expected | +2% GB | GB: Turnover on downs |
| 2 | Q1 9:29 | The Packers were stopped on 3rd & 153rd & 4th downs · 21% expected | +3% GB | GB: Turnover on downs |
| 3 | Q1 8:51 | The Packers were stopped on 4th & 33rd & 4th downs · 51% expected | +10% BUF | GB: Punt |
| 4 | Q1 5:18 | The Bills converted 3rd & 143rd & 4th downs · 25% expected | +9% BUF | BUF: Touchdown |
| 5 | Q1 0:22 | The Bills fumbled and recovered it themselvesFumble bounces · loose balls are close to 50/50 | +5% BUF | BUF: Touchdown |
| 6 | Q2 4:07 | Disqualification on the Packers, 15 yardsJudgment calls | +3% BUF | BUF: Touchdown |
| 7 | Q2 1:17 | The Packers got away with an interception-worthy throwInterceptions · 47% expected to stay out of the defense's hands | +4% GB | GB: Punt |
| 8 | Q3 10:34 | Offensive Pass Interference on the Packers (Robert Tonyan), 10 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls · 10 flags in 1735 snaps before, position avg 1 per 282 | +8% BUF | BUF: Field goal |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Spencer Brown (BUF T), out · 1.2 pts
- Micah Hyde (BUF FS), out (IR) · 0.6 pts
- Allen Lazard (GB WR), out · 0.7 pts
- Elgton Jenkins (GB G), out · 0.5 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Packers 28% · Bills 72%
- Final margin
- Bills by 10
- Luck in points
- 6.9 for the Bills
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Bills by 3.1
- Replay with same day's form
- Packers 32% · Bills 68% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
Methodology and validation · All Week 8 2022 games ·
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- Bears at Cowboys DAL 49–29 · replay 93% for the winner
- Raiders at Saints NO 24–0 · replay 97% for the winner
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