Week 8 2023 · October 29, 2023
Chiefs at Broncos, Week 8 2023: who deserved to win?
The Broncos beat the Chiefs 24–9, but the Chiefs played well enough to win it: they take 6 of 10 replays with the same day's form. Luck ran their way: fumble bounces alone were worth 10 points of win probability to the Broncos.
Before kickoff the Chiefs were 70% favorites. The biggest swing (Q2, 0:16 left): the Broncos were stopped on 3rd & 4, worth 8 points of win probability to the Chiefs.
Final
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Replay with same day's form
Luck index +61 Broncos very lucky · −61 Chiefs
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Chiefs win 6, Broncos win 4.
- 1 KC 48 DEN 21
- 2 KC 41 DEN 24
- 3 KC 37 DEN 24
- 4 KC 22 DEN 13
- 5 KC 16 DEN 12
- 6 KC 19 DEN 17
- 7 KC 7 DEN 9
- 8 KC 13 DEN 17
- 9 KC 13 DEN 24
- 10 KC 23 DEN 41
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Chiefs win 61% of them, Broncos 39%, counting the 3% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Broncos by 15.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Chiefs by 17+ | 16.2% |
| Chiefs by 9–16 | 16.3% |
| Chiefs by 1–8 | 26.4% |
| Level after regulation | 2.6% |
| Broncos by 1–8 | 20.3% |
| Broncos by 9–16 | 12.1% |
| Broncos by 17+ | 6.2% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A missed kick in a decided game counts for nothing; the same kick at the end of a tie game can be most of a win.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- H. Butker, 23 yds made · 100% expected
- H. Butker, 34 yds made · 94% expected
- H. Butker, 56 yds made · 60% expected
- W. Lutz, 38 yds blocked · 87% expected
- W. Lutz, 28 yds made · 95% expected
Penalties: Chiefs 5 for 38 yards, Broncos 6 for 35 yards
Every accepted flag, in order, and what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment, including any play it wiped out (points on the scoreboard in grey). A flag in a decided game is worth nothing; one at the turn of a close game can be worth most of a win. Judgment calls count toward luck, pre-snap fouls mostly don’t. How calls are valued
| When | Flag | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| Q1 1:08 | Defensive Offside on the Chiefs (Charles Omenihu), 5 yards, wiping out the play · pre-snap | 0% KC +0.2 pts |
| Q1 0:40 | Offensive Pass Interference on the Broncos (Courtland Sutton), 10 yards | +2% KC +1.1 pts |
| Q2 13:35 | Defensive Holding on the Broncos (Josey Jewell), 5 yards, wiping out the play | +3% KC +1.4 pts |
| Q2 1:41 | Defensive Holding on the Broncos (Patrick Surtain II), 5 yards | +1% KC +0.5 pts |
| Q3 10:51 | Defensive Holding on the Chiefs (L'Jarius Sneed), 5 yards, wiping out the play | +5% DEN +1.6 pts |
| Q3 9:04 | Illegal Formation on the Broncos, 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% KC +0.9 pts |
| Q3 5:20 | Defensive Holding on the Broncos (Fabian Moreau), 5 yards, wiping out the play | +6% KC +1.7 pts |
| Q3 3:42 | Offensive Too Many Men on Field on the Chiefs, 5 yards · pre-snap | +4% DEN +0.6 pts |
| Q3 0:46 | Illegal Formation on the Broncos, 5 yards, wiping out the play · pre-snap | +6% KC +1.6 pts |
| Q4 15:00 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Chiefs (L'Jarius Sneed), 18 yards | +6% DEN +1.6 pts |
| Q4 0:34 | Neutral Zone Infraction on the Chiefs (Justin Reid), 5 yards · pre-snap | 0% DEN +1.0 pts |
Chiefs penalties, every game · Broncos penalties, every game · All teams, 2023
When it happened
Broncos’ chance of winning
Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 6:13 | The Chiefs converted 3rd & 133rd & 4th downs · 23% expected | +6% KC | KC: Field goal |
| 2 | Q2 0:16 | The Broncos were stopped on 3rd & 43rd & 4th downs · 44% expectedThe Broncos fumbled and the Chiefs recoveredFumble bounces · loose balls are close to 50/50 | +8% KC | DEN: Missed field goal |
| 3 | Q2 0:04 | H. Butker made 56-yard field goalKicks · 60% expected for him, 35 of 48 from 45+ before | +6% KC | KC: Punt |
| 4 | Q3 13:48 | The Broncos converted 3rd & 53rd & 4th downs · 39% expected | +7% DEN | DEN: Missed field goal |
| 5 | Q3 6:40 | W. Lutz had a 38-yard field goal blockedKicks · 87% expected for him | +6% KC | DEN: Punt |
| 6 | Q3 4:59 | R. Rice dropped a catchable passDrops · 2 drops on 30 catchable balls before this | +7% DEN | KC: Punt |
| 7 | Q3 0:46 | Illegal Formation on the Broncos, 5 yards, wiping out the playPre-snap flags | +6% KC | KC: Turnover on downs |
| 8 | Q4 15:00 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Chiefs (L'Jarius Sneed), 18 yardsJudgment calls · 24 flags in 3469 snaps before, position avg 1 per 216 | +6% DEN | DEN: Punt |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Kareem Jackson (DEN SS), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
- Nick Bolton (KC LB), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Chiefs 1% · Broncos 99%
- Final margin
- Broncos by 15
- Luck in points
- 0.8 for the Chiefs
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Broncos by 15.8
- Replay with same day's form
- Chiefs 61% · Broncos 39% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
Methodology and validation · All Week 8 2023 games ·
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- Jets at Giants NYJ 13–10 · replay 68% for the winner
- Eagles at Commanders PHI 38–31 · replay 41% for the winner
- Browns at Seahawks SEA 24–20 · replay 43% for the winner
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